What do the following products have in common?

Lefty said…

By the way, I’m attempting to understand this:

“It doesn’t matter whether Mono is any good. It doesn’t matter whether or not Mono is legal. It doesn’t matter whether or not Mono is a patent trap. What matters is that three years ago, Windows XP fucked up. Again.”

Are you saying that, because you has a problem with Windows three years ago, no one should use Mono on Linux systems…?

October 21, 2009 6:58 PM


What do the following products have in common?

1976 Ford Explorer Pickup truck.
1978 Harley Davidson
1980 Hyster S40E Forklift
1980 Commodore VIC20
1984 Apple Macintosh


10 thoughts on “What do the following products have in common?

  1. Plenty of stuff: none of 'em run Mono, they were all arguably over-priced, and it's possible that Roy Schestowitz has spread falsehoods about users of all of them.Was the question I asked that difficult for you to answer straightforwardly, Wayne? For consistency's sake, I sure hope the answer has nothing to do with patents…I'd love to hang around and swap riddles, but I've got a flight to Amsterdam to catch. Before I go, though, here's one for you:What's the difference between Roy Schestowitz and Eubulides of Miletus?

  2. Lefty,They have a lot in common with Microsoft Windows, in that they were all garbage. Each of those products did damage to the companies that produced them. In all of these cases the companies fixed the problems, and survived to a certain extent. Commodore's C64 computer was a huge improvement, in fact in my opinion one of the best computer designs ever. Ford fixed their rust issues, and is the only North American automaker that didn't require a bailout.Harley finally fixed the oil leaks, after the company had been sold several times. I'm looking at getting one next spring.Hyster company was sold, and then merged with Yale. They've done a lot of work, and the new machines are quite nice.Apple, while the first Mac was a piece of garbage, the second generation was pretty good. The company then went downhill, but after Steve Jobs returned, it has produced some really nice stuff.The question is, can Microsoft fix the problems? They haven't with Windows Seven. And it will be 3-4 years until we see the next version of Windows, which may be too late.What Microsoft needed to do, back in 2006 was fire Steve Ballmer. While I suspect he's a decent salesman, as a CEO the man is a disaster. Since he's a friend of Bil Gates, my guess is that he won't be dumped until it's too late. Which will be really bad for some friends of mine, who are Microsoft employees, and have a lot of Microsoft stock.As to Roy, I would have expected you to compare him to Cato the Elder. Ceterum autem censeo, Microsoftinem esse delendamRoy and Eubulides. Got it. Eubulides doesn't use Linux.

  3. Fixing Windows 7. As long as Microsoft is in bed with the entertainment industry and carries all that DRM bloat, I have little hope. It's like trying to fly cross country in a 747 with the wheels down.But leave off the desktop market for a minute, and consider the future of computing. Apple's iPhone points the way things will be going. That is running BSD at the heart. Or consider Moblin, a Linux variant. Key that Microsoft is losing the mobile market is their work with Intel to bring Silverlight, not Moonlight to the Moblin platform, and their fiasco with Pink, the Sidekick and Danger.You might have one desktop computer per family, but you have one phone per person. The more you can do with your phone, the less you will need the desktop machine.Also, if you want to install Windows 7 on your Netbook, you can't buy the version designed for netbooks. You can only get that by buying a netbook with that version pre-installed.Further demonstration that Steve Ballmer does not care about the mobile market were his comments regarding Chrome and Android. He was commenting that Google did not know what it wanted to do because it was working on two operating systems, when one was hard enough.Well, perhaps Google does know what it is doing, recognizing that the handset market is really different from the desktop/laptop market because of the different form factor.The fact that I can use pencil and paper to write a letter as well as a computer, does not mean that the only way I should be able to put words on screen is to draw them with the mouse. That is what it is doing with the mobile market.Perhaps the one Microsoft initiative that looks like it is working is their partnership with Ford. I've read very little about that, except Ford did not file for bankruptcy or need a big bailout.By the way, thanks for posting your blog url on Groklaw. I must have missed it before. I've always enjoyed your comments.

  4. Greg,Microsoft's problem is, and has always been, that they have not identified who their customer is. Until someone with some brains realizes that their customer is really the end user, they will continue to aim their product at the wrong market.This is why Apple beats them in the desktop market, and why Apple, RIM, and Android beat them in the phone market.As to Ballmer not understanding his markets, what he didn't mention is that Microsoft has mobile and desktop versions of Windows…Thanks for the compliment.

  5. have you ever examined Plan 9 OS? It is functional at this point, after many years of development. It lacks drivers and many basic applications. But it makes linux look like a stone axe, and it makes windows look like some kind of bad joke. Plan 9 is the OS of the future, but it is mostly here now. Distributing resources is especially easy. Want to use someone else'ssound card? Simply import their /dev/audio. Remember that everything inPlan 9 is a file system object, including multimedia devices. Want todebug a process running on someone else's machine? Simply import its/proc file.http://www.osnews.com/story/15235/Investigating_the_Plan_9_Operating_System

  6. I haven't looked at it recently, been too busy, but thanks for the reminder. This actually ties into an article I'm working on right now, which should be up tomorrow.

  7. Thought you'd forgotten about this!Actually Roy is pretty accurate on his reporting. His opinions may or may not be accurate, just as your opinions or my opinions may not be accurate.Your opinion is that Mono is a good idea. My opinion is that Mono is junk. Which one of us is right?Me of course. I'm always right. Ask my wife.

  8. Tristan Nitot, President of Mozilla Europe, makes some interesting points in a recent story in SkyNews: They take for granted that the freedom they enjoy is forever. I don’t think it is like that. The internet is full of promise but the future is not bright unless we make sure it is.This rings true for me, and I think it is a point oft-missed by critics of Free Software. There seems to be some line of thinking – especially among the anti-Free Software crowd that it is “Mission Accomplished” and is now time for everyone to gather hands round the campfire and sing Kumbaya.This is usually couched in terms of “either way is a win for the consumer” or similar nonsense – as if all ends are equally desirable.I don’t get this thinking. FLOSS has made incredible gains thanks to core principles – gains made despite one of the world’s largest corporations best and slimiest attempts to retard progress – but somehow, now that FLOSS is enjoying real commercial and philosophical success it is time to discard those principles?Freedom, including Software Freedom, is not forever and requires constant effort.

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